A condensed and lightly-edited transcript of Ada Palmer's discord Ask Me Anything session.
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The Author makes an introduction:
Dr. PalmerHello, all! To keep it clear from the start of the channel, I'm delighted to be here to talk to you and answer questions, but I don't intend to join in the server chat generally because I think fan discussions flourish best when people aren't thinking about the author being there and how they'd react. So I'll just use this channel, and am delighted to answer questions both about the books and about random other topics, and I think we will set it up so that I can pop in long-term and answer questions periodically so if you post new questions after this is over I likely may (tardily) come by and answer them, but I won't be poking around in other parts of the server and we're going to try to set it up so I can't access them, since that's my preference.
Questions were not asked in any particular order, and ranged across topics. I’ve tried to group them here by topic while preserving chronological order where necessary.
A Gordian petitionerI’ll kick it off! So, do actual Thomas Carlyle, actual Abraham Arden Brill, actual mythologized Tullus Hostilius etc exist in the universe of Terra Ignota?
Dr. PalmerSo, the actual Thomas Carlyle does, and is the namesake of the imagined Romanovan founder figure. The actual Abraham Arden Brill does too but I hadn’t actually heard of him when I picked Felix Faust’s name – Felix is named (very nerdily) after the academic publisher Brill, which is notable for publishing incredibly niche important research that no other publisher will take because it’s not going to turn a profit but which is still really important and needs to be known. It reminded me of how the Brillists are working hard on research no one cares about while everyone recognizes that the fruits of said research is important. Tullus Hostilius remains as real in Terra Ignota as in history.
A Cousin petitionerI only recently found that la Trémoïlle was a real French noble family with a claim to the kingdom of Naples. Why did you pick it for the house Madame chose to revive John Hammond-style?
Dr. PalmerThey were also instrumental in various important invasions and other interesting historical incidents, I keep finding them popping up in my research. It was a family that died out at about the time I wanted it to die out, and that had a distinctive name and a clear vein of royal blood, but that also wasn’t well known and hadn’t been used in any other prominent fiction so it wouldn’t have too many other associations.
A Blacklaw petitionerso how many characters are based on Vidocq besides the explicit Papadelias?
Dr. PalmerWell, since Vidocq is both Valjean and Javert, there’s entanglement with Mycroft too. Papa and Mycroft are the main intended entanglements there, but also important is the reminder that people cn have utterly implausible lives that stretch the plausibility of novels and yet still be real, which I want people thinking about in terms of Mycroft but also many of the characters.
A Blacklaw petitionerWhat does the ACE entail exactly?
Dr. PalmerWe get a bit more on it in book 4, but there are lots of version administered by lots of Hives, so they vary a lot. Many are an interview, or partly an interview, but there are also written-only versions, and there are many language options too. The focus, though, is on seeing whether you understand moral problems enough to make ethical decisions at an adult level, so for example some versions involve the Trolly Problem or other ethical thought experiments, not with the expectation that there’s a right answer, but that articulating ANY answer demonstrates moral reasoning at a sophisticated level and the fact that you can recognize that it’s a complex question. A lot of it is to make sure you have enough practical critical reasoning to avoid being taken advantage of if you become your own legal decision-maker, i.e. that you fully understand what it means to choose a law and be bound by it. Different people can take different forms, so, for example, someone who struggles to articulate things aloud can take a written-only version, someone who struggles with writing can take an oral-only version, etc.
A Blacklaw petitionerWho runs the tracker system? I would assume that the 7 hive council has something to do with it but a single bash’ ultimately controls the 6-hive transport system.
Dr. PalmerGood question. Yes, the tracker system is administered mainly by the Alliance itself, though the facility is a joint Cousin-Mitsubishi undertaking.
A petitionerHello! I love all the world-building you’ve done with food in Terra Ignota. I’m curious if you’ve thought about how restaurants and dining culture have changed from today.
Dr. PalmerI already talked about how most restaurants do only one meal for a long time, to accomodate time zone hopping. It’s also much more common for highly-rated restaurants to be primarily by reservation and have a waiting list (museums too) since people can go to them from anywhere, so a favorable newspaper review can result in thousands of people. Elite restaurants might have bookings months in advance, while more modest ones focus more on feeding people in the immediate neighborhood. In effect it mostly makes sense to go either to a restaurant that’s within walking distance or to go to one that’s really exciting and worth a 15-20 minute trip which means 1/3 of the Earth – medium-quality restaurants that people drive to because they’re the best X in the area but not actually outstanding are what’s gone, so you get more local mom & pop shops and super specialty things like Try Our Famous Goat & Feta Sausage Dog, Unique in the World!
A Cousin petitionerApollo mentions that there are no more roads, but what about sidewalks ?
Dr. PalmerThere aren’t sidewalks because streets are largely entirely pedestrian, though larger cities do have trams or subways and sometimes bicycle lanes, since for short distances within a dense urban space local transit can be better than the car. The acceleration and deceleration at the beginning and end are the slowest part, so a 1 mile trip in a car is actually most of the time length of 100 mile trip. Public bikeshare programs are thus very common still, as are trams for main thoroughfares, while everything else is pedestrianized.
A European petitionerWill we ever get to read Apollo’s Iliad?
Dr. Palmer
Only if someone fan-writes it
A European petitionerHow literally should we be taking the names?
Dr. PalmerHmmmmmm good question!!
A Utopian petitionerWe see a lot of Blacklaws with rapiers. Are they a classical association with Blacklaws? Or a coincidence associated with Madame’s connecteds
Dr. PalmerDueling is a big blacklaw thing since it’s the main way of reveling in, and publically showing, one’s willingness to kill and be killed. It’s not always rapiers, but it often is, a general dueling culture thing.
A Cousin petitionerJust to confirm, the bit in TLtL where Eureka is talking about the car system and says “they couldn’t fly safely over 900 km/h. now we fly them over 1000”–that number (which is only a little faster than the speed of a modern passenger jet) is a typo, right? Earlier Mukta is described as going “9,640 km/h”; is that more accurate for what twenty-fifth-century cars are capable of?
Dr. PalmerYeah, that’s a typo. They happen.
A petitionerI just got off work and haven’t read the back scroll so sorry if somebody already answered this question but: what does a lousy job look like in Terra Ignota universe? What are the worst jobs? And also what are the most common jobs that ordinary people have?
Dr. PalmerSo, there are a number of jobs that everyone agrees aren’t at all enjoyable but need to be done, like being a plumber, or rubbish inspector, or fixing stuff that goes wrong in automated factories, double-checking that janetorial robots have done their job right, etc. Some jobs people feel they have a vocation for or at least find gratifying (policeman, caregiver) but generally the ones that are considered the least desirable are the ones that need to be done but just aren’t fun. Those generally pay well, though, to make up for it, and people put in their 20 hours and eveyone else feels grateful to them for taking on the stuff that’s just no fun.
A petitionerWill we ever learn more about Hugo Sputnik’s fiction, and what the different Clutches are?
Dr. PalmerNo, that’s a treat for the reader to have fun imagining!
A petitionerWas Dominic inspired by any character, person, or thing?
Dr. PalmerAs for Dominic, he’s based on the general milieu of 18th century stories about what we would now call trans people, i.e. the Chevalier d’Eon and later imaginations about the Chevalier, plus Diderot’s speculations about ethics in Rameau’s Nephew.
A petitionerI’m slowly making my way through the French translation. i noticed that some of the text that’s in French in the original has been slightly modified. comments, anecdotes, griping about not having a gender neutral object pronoun?
Dr. PalmerYes, the French translator was incredibly wonderful and in really close touch with me throughout, she’s amazing and really really worked hard to make the text faithful, both to my project, and to my effort to make the prose resemble Diderot’s. She’s made lots of little fine-tuned additions like that which make it work in French and it was a joy discussing them with her and also getting to see them at last as I’m reading the French mself. She’s a finalist for the best translator award in France right now and SHE SUPER MEGA DESERVES IT!!
A petitionerIs Romanova’s claim to be “New Rome” quietly and desperately controversial among partisans of Constantinople, Moscow, and other cities as New Romes? What about Rome makes it such an attractive concept for people to attach to?
Dr. PalmerYes slightly but the fight over who gets to be the new Rome is a very old one. My favorite version of it is Renaissance Florence claiming to be the new Rome and Rome being like “I’m RIGHT HERE!” fascinating fight. So it’s a very old fight and there are always rival claims, which is another thing I talk about a bit in my current little nonfiction book about the Renaissance
A follow-up to “On education in 2454”
A petitionerSo are there than higher schools for Hiveless or can they attend the schools fromm other Hives?
Dr. PalmerRomanova does run some schools and there are also private schools with no Hive affiliations, but yes Hiveless kids can also go to Hive-run schools and are usually very heartily encouraged in hopes they’ll then join the Hive.
A petitionerHow do the reservations work? do people go to them often? what’s the attitude towards them?
Dr. PalmerYou’ll enjoy book 4… :upside_down:
A petitionerWould I pass the adulthood competency exam
Dr. PalmerProbably? Again cool discussions coming in book 4.
A petitionerWhat does it look like to fail an adulthoold competency exam, and how common is it?
Dr. PalmerIt’s pretty common, many kids end up suddenly taking it very young when having a fight with their ba’pas or ba’sibs, a kind of kid protest variant on deciding you’re going to run away from home. So it’s not uncommon for many kids to do it rashly once very early, like age 11, and no one thinks of it as anything but growing pains and actually a cool way for an angry kid to reflect on things like ethics and dial down from being angry to being contemplative. When you’re taking it more seriously intending to pass then failing it is still not a big deal, and for most of them you don’t get a numerical score (except with the Mitsubishi one) instead you get written feedback and a chance to discuss the results with both the interviewer who administered it and a neutral party. And, of course, you can take it again within 24 hours if you feel it was somehow unfair, or that a different version of the exam would be better. The main time it’s actually a bit tricky is if it’s a kid who’s trying to take it very early, not in a one-time quarrel with bash’parents, but in a serious effort to separate from an unhealthy bash’environment, i.e. when the minor really does have a problematic home situation and needs to be liberated from it. For that reason, whenever a kid is taking it quite early, 14 or earlier, the examiners always also have a social work councilor type person talk to the kid at length about the reasons to see if there’s a possible abuse/unhealthy situation happening, and if the kid doesn’t pass then they talk to the kid about other options, like a foster bash’ etc. So it’s carefully watched as a social tool for helping kids in good bash’situations self-examine, and for helping kids in bad bash’situations get out. They work hard to make sure there’s no stigma on failing, & popular celebrities make a point of talking about times they failed to normalize it.
A petitionerI recall in one of the books there’s a reference to hard drives. I’m assuming people are still not using hard disk drives in the future, so is it just a really fancy SDD? Or something else?
Dr. PalmerIt’s a totally new futuretech but lingering vocabulary. We still say “car” short for carraige even though we don’t use carriages anymore.
A petitionerThe Sons/Daughters/Children of the American Revolution are a history/national interest group focused in genealogical descent from a defined pool. I could imagine it being developed into a strat, but would such sorts of “descendants of veterans of a particular war” be strats?
Dr. PalmerThose would be small strats, equivalent in importance to strats like shiba inu dog breeders, or cyclists, or fans of a particular band, etc. They don’t have political significance, don’t vote in Europe for example, but exist like clubs or loose associations with social webs that form diasporic communities. That said, war veteran-ness for wars of the age of barbaric geographic nations is a bit stigmatized in 2454, so those societies would not be so common as descendants of other things less war-related like descendants of former farmers or something, and the war-related ones that did exist would have nuanced explanations of what they’re about, to engage with the stigma.
A petitionerWhat is the social culture around marriage and reproduction? Prospero and Leslie plan to have a child and raise them as a set-set; did their parents set it up so that Leslie could sexually reproduce with either Ojiro or Prospero? Or has science developed to a point where any couple can reproduce if they choose to?
Dr. PalmerTech is indeed at the point where any pair of people can be parents, or indeed more than a pair (we’re already at the tech level where we can do 3 parents if the mitochondrea come from a 3rd).
@carinique’s question is “On marriage and reproduction in 2454”
A petitionerAdding on to @cariniqe’s question, is it commonly doable for people to transition their sex? Obviously it is possible (see Sniper), but can the common folk do it?
Dr. PalmerEasily doable, and the surgery for a full transition is far better than now, but I imagine it as fairly rare because, while it’s an open question whether sex and gender have successfully/completely separated, it’s true that the degree to which one is treated differently and the amount that gender intrudes in your life is lessened, people don’t use gendered pronouns on you daily, there’s less pressure about things like clothes, so it’s much easier to just feel feminine while having a male-sex body or vice-versa than it is today where society reminds you about the category it’s put you in so constantly. The less society actively shoves gender in your face the less pressure there is to feel that you can’t be the gender you feel you are with the body you have. So I think active transition would happen less often, because people aren’t experiencing as much constant pain/stress from it. That lessened examination isn’t necessarily all good, though. A complex question, with, again, a bit more coming on it in book 4. :slight_smile:
A petitionerHow common is a polyamorous birth, and can we please see that in book 4
Dr. PalmerVery very common.
A petitionerWhere is Hobbestown geographically?
Dr. PalmerYou can deduce from travel times that it must be either in Europe, the Middle East, or north Africa, but I’m intentional about not saying. But it’s in the Latvia/Estonia area.
A petitionerAny lore on Australia?
Dr. Palmer
Chapter 4 of book 4 has a bunch of action surrounding Sydney
A petitionerHow do people handle time zone differences? For example, if someone in New Zealand wanted to see Shakespeare at the Globe, would they just have to cope with the 12 hour time difference?
Dr. PalmerThe fact that work weeks are only 20 hours make this easier and more flexible. You’ll notice the times in the book are usually given in UT, i.e. Universal Time, so everyone is used to naming times by that standard rather than by personal time zone. In general any given bash’ will pick the sleep schedule it prefers, often based on sunset and sunrise times where the bash’house is but also to accomodate everyone’s jobs best. People will then sleep by those times and do recreational activities at different points. Meanwhile theaters tend to offer shows at a wider variety of times to get more people from other time zones, and similarly rather than doing breakfast at breakfast time and dinner at dinner time most restaurants specialize in one meal but do it all day, so you can have breakfast at a breakfast place anytime within a 12 hour window, depending on when breakfast time is for you.
A petitionerHave they successfully divorced gender from sex? (except for, like, the obvious failures)
Dr. PalmerThat’s certainly one of the questions that I want you as reader to be judging over the course of the books. Particularly in book 4 when we see the world under pressure we’ll get another chance to think about whether they have succeeded or not, and if so how much. A good book 4 question!
A petitionerIs there a subculture of edgy religious kitsch in the Terra Ignota world? This seems alluded to by JEDD’s collection of discarded religious statuary, but I wonder if there’s something rather like black metal dudes with inverted crosses or maybe even how Christian iconography often shows up as a shorthand for superstition in anime.
Dr. PalmerYes but it’s a bit past edgy into making people really uncomfortable. I’d compare the way people in Terra Ignota would react to a cross more to how we today react to swastika than how we react to a satanist symbol, in their minds it’s associated with a giant NEVER AGAIN! traumatic historical incident, so the degree of the taboo is very severe.
A petitionerHow would Felix Faust respond to Montaigne’s upbringing? Bad to teach a child only latin since it isolates them from peers? fascinated by the resulting set, since being raised speaking only latin doesn’t lock sets down like the set-set processes?
Dr. PalmerMontaigne is indeed one of the major cases that Brill looked at, and early bash-studiers too. They discuss it as an example of how intentional rearing can have powerful effects, but yes, they say it’ smuch better to do a group of kids together, which is also an argument for bash’es in general.
A petitionerWhat happened to North America?
Dr. PalmerHmmmmmmm.
A petitionersorry to contribute to the absolute excess of questions but I simply must ask. What, if anything, exists in the geographic location we would refer to today as Israel?
Dr. Palmer
we get a bunch more on the future of Judaism and Jewish culture in book 4
A petitionerHave you heard of the Terra Ignota/Hobbestown/Canner Murders Model UN Conference made by @Timanenchanter ?
Dr. PalmerHuh… I don’t specifically remember that though I do have a vague memory of being contacted by model UN but I might be remembering being asked about my 1492 Papal Election LARP. Sounds awesome though!!
A petitionerWhat does the field of computer science looks like in the 2400s and what is the level of AI - what do set sets do that can’t be done with a big computer? (credit to a friend who can’t be online right now but wanted to ask)
Dr. PalmerMainly set-sets do things that human sensory interfaces have still proved best at, which was a discovery of trial and error as the technologies developed. With some of them it’s things it’s intuitive that a human brain would be good at like an Amadeus set-set making music that appeals to humans, or a Rosetta set-set analyzing language, but in things like the Cartesian they wanted to maximize the data a human could look at and it has different strengths from AI. There’s certainly some of what we now call AI within the Saneer-Weeksbooth computers working along with the set-sets, but the set-sets can keep up with what it’s producing and displaying and give real-time feedback to the predicted movements of 400 million cars; no human relying only on regular senses could keep up with the computer that well.
A petitionerI loved the Hobbes POV/narration in book 3 - if you could add another philosopher-narrator who would it be?
Dr. PalmerHmmm. The only ones that would really make sense would be Voltaire or Diderot. But I’m doing something very particular with Hobbes, very happy with what it’s doing in the series (she says vaguely).
A petitionerDoesn’t really anybody prefer to just get ther own apartment in this world? This seemed weird :thinking:
Dr. PalmerIt’s not totally unheard-of, but most people grow up in bash’es and expect bash’es and feel lonely transitioning to living w/o. That said it’s not uncommon to have a small studio apartment in a city where you work so you can sometimes work late and sleep there and then go to the bash’ other days. Vivien & Bryar, for example, have a small flat in Romanova in addition to the big bash’house in Mumbai. This is more common with vokers but sometimes even non-vokers do it and have private space that way while also enjoying bash’life.
A petitionerWhat does content distribution look like in 2454? Has there been a renaissance of physical media, or has digital streaming largely won out? Society seems to have different censorship attitudes - do those extend to digital rights management?
Dr. PalmerThat’s a big pile of questoins! Most media is digital but there are also physical copies especially of books, for people who like having a physical thing. Digital media is soemtimes bought and owned, sometimes short-term rented, but there’s been a push back against the you-can’t-own-it-you-just-lease-it Kindle model, since when the Church War made so many things go sour that model proved its toxicity in temrs of what corporations (and states exploiting them) could do to censor and destroy media. Media has to go through pre-publication censorship, modeled on the system England used after the mid-17th century, but censorship and ownership are decoupled. Did I cover everything?
A petitionerI have another, very meta question - I would love to know what science fiction is like in the Terra Ignota universe.
Dr. PalmerMuch like it is now, continuing to explore other ways the world could be, broadeing the space of speculation and preparing people better for the reality that the human experience constantly changes generation by generation.
A petitionerWhat is your favorite no longer extant Hive?
Dr. PalmerI’ve been mulling on this one but it’s really hard. A lot of them were corporate at first, which aren’t that fun, the ones with strong interesting ethics were the ones that tended to survive. OBP aka One Big Party is the one I’ve given the most development, which was about helping people zip around the world to go to raves and concerts and had an interesting relationship with celebrity and participation in live events (what it means to be in the audience at a concert vs. streaming a concert) parallel to but separate from the Olympians, so their discussions with each other as they merged would have been really interesting.
A petitionerDo the deaf and disabled communities still exist in the Terra Ignota universe? Or were they eliminated with the Utopian dedication to conquering death?
Dr. PalmerThey exist definitely, though in different ways. In 2454 much like now medical advancements do mean many things that used to be incurable are curable, but it also means there are many more conditions that are survivable resulting in adults with different new kinds of unusual conditions or disabilities that didn’t exist earlier. MASON’s psychosomatic limp from his cloned foot is an example of the kind of new disability which has come about as a result of tech advances, as are Tully Mardi’s challenges resulting from extended time on the Moon. So like today the disability community is an evolving one as new technologies and conditions change and expand what’s possible. I don’t think the deaf community would exist as much as an internal separate community because there would be both a wider variety of substitute technologies and a wider variety of new kinds of sensory disabilities, so I like to imagine a broader more inclusive community composed of people with a huge range of atypical sensory stuff using a broad range of different technologies and communications methods. The disability community and tension around set-sets would absolutely be linked in discourse, as discourse about autism and neurodiversity is linked to other kinds of disability discourse today, and we’ll see a bit of that in book 4 in fact.
A petitionerIs it illegal to say goddamned it?
Dr. PalmerYes, in fact, and separtely it’s ALSO taboo. With this and other swears I had to work hard on modern equivalents, especially in Spanish where I had to ask for help from friends. There’s a point in book 4 where I really wanted the equivalent of when someone would say “Oh, my God!” and it’s hard to find substitutes for that, even harder in a language you don’t know well!
A petitionerIs saying bless you taboo? what do people say instead?
Dr. PalmerYes, and various variations on wishing people good health, or good luck
A petitionerI was wondering if you think the Hives, at their founding, would have been recognized as a good thing by most people or would have been thing as yet another step back away from progress, all happening in the midst of the Church War? After all, I assume people would have been eager to characterize it as the richest fraction of the population running away instead of paying their fair share to help their country in time of need. All the scary stuff in the Hive system (censorship, for example) would have been much more scary without seeing the end result, too.
Dr. PalmerI think there would have been a mix, and at first the Great Renunciation would’ve been a source of major fear for anyone who was against the war but also wasn’t in one of the groups in the original set who renounced (i.e. Cousins, Gordian, E.U., Olympians). There would definitely have been uncertainty, tension, accusations of being traitors and cowards, violence as well, but indeed they were largely affluent and had strong infrsatructure and it blindsided everyone else so they were able to respond quickly and succeed. But I do imagine it very scary. The one supplementary bit of Terra Ignota writing I’ve been mulling seriously over is a kind of a mini-LARP walking tour kit which would be set during the Great Renunciation and offer a glimpse of the anxieties of the time – I’m hoping to write it for when book 4 comes out, but we’ll see.
A petitionerDo any of the characters we’ve met have pets (excluding ubeasts, if that term could apply to them)? We’ve heard a little about pet registry, have Bridger’s Boo and a couple of fake dogs running around, but any others?
Dr. PalmerWe don’t see them yes. We don’t see Danae’s little dog but she has one, and there are several pets at the Kosala-Ancelet bash’, and Papadelias’s bash owns a farm with farm cats but also goats and things, and of course Sniper and Ganymede have horses. Julia also has cats, trying to remember who else… those are the ones I’m thinking of at the moment.
A petitionerHow aggressively do people engage in gene editing? Is it common or uncommon? If gene editing is common, how do the Hives not become a retelling of Gattaca?
Dr. PalmerUniversal, so universal Mycroft doesn’t think it’s worth mentioning, but we see him reference Saladin having had the normal gene editing as a kid but then not taking his anti-aging meds and so still aging somewhat faster than societal standard.
A petitionerI would love to know any tidbits about education pre-Campus; is home/bash’schooling common ? are high schools regional ? public ? you don’t need to address all of these, just anything you think is interesting
Dr. PalmerSince the work week has shrunk and there are always multiple adult caretakers, it’s worked for school days to shrink as well. Thus kids get a lot of their education at home while also going to school for social interactive parts of it too. If a current school week generally has a kid at school for maybe 30-40 hours, theirs are closer to 20 hours at school with more learning done at home. The schools are run by many organizations - the Cousins provide a lot of the earlier levels of school but all Hives offer the equivalent of middle school but there are also lots of private schools and regional schools to choose from. It’s generally recognized that the socialization aspect of school needs to be recognized as separate from the informational learning aspect of school, so more of the latter is at home, and school is free to organize activities designed more to facilitate good socialization and social interaction learning.
A petitionerPeople don’t talk about their religions, but are religious markers part of legible fashion?
Dr. PalmerNo, they’re largely severely taboo. The cultural hangup is very extreme, and intended to set off our warning bells.
A petitionerHow does gender stuff stay hidden with internet pornography (which presumably exists) around? is it all non-gendered? is it more gendered than modern/historical stuff? does it just not exist given the tracker system to assure safety + cars + legal brothels?
Dr. PalmerThere’s tons of gendered pornography, it’s considered an exciting fetish costume, like a nurse outfit or a maid outfit. People think of it as unimportant but it’s a big part of what keeps gendered coding live in people’s minds, and what Madame builds on when seducing people .Remember that gender is taboo but NOT illegal, unlike religion which is taboo AND illegal.
A petitionerRelated question: Just how do properly market a non-gendered Brothel? :thinking:
Dr. PalmerLike with any brothel, the customer when arriving expresses their preferences including anatomical sex of partner but also other things. A brothel is a vast taboo anyway so requesting a gender and requesting a police outfit aren’t that different.
A petitionerWhen was the last commerical airplane flight ?
Dr. PalmerLet me pull up my timeline! Let’s see, the flying care systems become commercially affordable in 2074, so the commercial airline industry as a staple of how people travel would die out in the 2090s, though novelty flights (ooh, a plane!) continue even to 2454, just as we still have horse-drawn buggies for fun
A petitionerDo the hives except for their respective “gimmicks” actually provide any of the social services modern states do and are Greylaws than excluded from that?
If not, why are Hiveless in general so few?
Dr. PalmerSome social services are provided by towns, cities or regions (fire protection, emergency hospitals, local police, local libraries), but a lot of others are provided by the Hives, yes, covering healthcare costs, education, unemployment, childcare, specialized libraries, health coaching, wide variety. Romanova provides such services for Hiveless (including for Blacklaws) but theirs don’t have as many bells & whistles as the fancier Hive offerings which tend to cover a lot more. So social services, especially having them work the way you want, is one of the reasons to join Hives, but another reason so few remain Hiveless is the tendency of people towant to feel like they’re part of something large and strong. The Hives are so powerful that there is a sense of semi-disenfranchisedness of graylaws. Even having Tribunes makes you the equivalent of the Plebs in ancient Rome, subtleties that drive people to choose to be part of the big powers. Not all people, but many people.
A petitionerWhat do libraries look like in the 25th century? especially with the erosion of geographical boundaries, do libraries tend to be universal or focused on a local community? Physical or digital predominance? Public perception of libraries/librarians?
Dr. PalmerThere are still local libraries, which tend to be funded by the local community as one of the perks to entice people to stay there and increase property values, like having a neighborhood swimming pool. There are also many research libraries, and archives. There are also Hive-run libraries including vast digital libraries wher ethe Hive pays for the content and you access it as part of the perks of being in the Hive (or you pay the Hive per use in the case of Mitsubishi). And there are historic libraries, and university or school libraries. Most books are released digital-only or with luxurious beautiful hardcovers, often produced on demand or in a limited art press type run, so libraries have big digital components, but also do have physical copies for those who enjoy them. But everyone grows up accustomed to reading on lenses and tablets, so paper book reading is something only some people enjoy.
A Utopian petitionerIt’s been pointed out I forgot that JEDD purchased Chagatai’s debts. So… [Q] are there still a lot of debt collectors?
Dr. PalmerNot a lot as a profession, a lot of it is done via the Hives since the Hive governments of several Hives, notably the Humanists, Utopians, Mitsubishi, and Masons, are more entangled with private funances than most 21st century gov’ts, but there is still debt collection as an issue for various Hiveless, EU, Gordian etc.
A petitionerWhat are some hive-specific taboos that the books don’t really get into? what are your favorite taboos you didn’t have a chance to do anything with?
Dr. PalmerHmm… This deserves a good answer but I’m getting tired and dont’ have one. If I think of things another day I’ll pop in and share.
A petitionerWhat were the defining characteristics of the Gordian hive before they became dedicated to Brill’s teachings?
Dr. PalmerIt was a flashy entrepenurial big corporation comparable to Google, though with a even more of a social services we-care-about-being-good-guys presentation. Its corporate identity merged with Hives Were Our Idea We’re First to be their dominant brand, so they were sort of the default Hive for a while, until Brillism gave them specificity
A petitionerDo people no longer play dungeons and dragons or warhammer? (sorry if this is a repeat I just got here)
Dr. PalmerNo they play super aweome future way cooler than those are versions of them with near-holodeck-level griffincloth environemtns and real unicorns!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
It’s not clear whether ‘latter’ is correct here. As of 2020-04-21, we await confirmation.
A petitionerWhat is U-speak actually like? Is it just English with 90% of the idioms and vocabulary swapped out for the 25th-century equivalent of the Jargon File, or is it really more like a truly distinct language?
Dr. PalmerIt’s the latter. It uses in-group vocabulary references the way social groups do, to reinforce social cohesion, and separateness from other communities. There aren’t any grammatical differences and Utopian language still uses all standard English, it just adds a lot of specialized word uses. It’s an extension of how a bash’ too will develop particular linguistic habits – you’ve experienced this if you’ve ever had a close-knit friend group with many social media shared experience and noticed, for example, that you’ve started using particular Japanese words picked up from anime within your standard English, or references to jokes or media as shorthand for things. It’s a more developed version of that.
A petitionerAre U-beasts typically deep in the pits of the Uncanny Valley?
Dr. PalmerA few of them, but many more of them just use complex colors while keeping the animal anatomy very faithfully duplicated. It looks more like a real green cat than like a creepily-off cat, and they don’t do the thing where they make the eyes eerily extra big to make things cuter. They strive to make everything look “natural” or at least like you’d intuitively imagine that thing would be if it were real.
A petitionerDid utopians come up with u-beasts because they were like “what if pokemon, but real?”
Dr. PalmerWell, also dragons, and unicorns, and all the exciting creatures we’ve invented and enjoyed for ages.
A petitionerWhat percentage of children raised by Utopians become ones themselves after passing the ACE? I thought it was interesting children were included when Mycroft was talking about the Utopian griffincloth-static mourning ritual
Dr. PalmerThe majority do, Utopian culture has a strong impetus of passing the project on. A larger bash’ will often have a rebel kid who goes and becomes a Humanist or something, but the majorty will remain within Utopia, the least mixing of any Hive.
A petitionerI was thinking about the Utopian oath, and it doesn’t work in 2020 because Utopia is not here to sustain my needs, but a slight alteration maybe? (italicized)
I hereby renounce the right to complacency, and vow lifelong to take only what minimum of leisure is necessary to my productivity, viewing health, happiness, rest, and play as means, not ends, and though I must work to provide my needs, to the fullest extent possible I commit the produce of my labors to our collective effort to redirect the path of human life away from death and towards the stars
(insofar as there’s a question it is ‘did you have ideas about this at all/does this work’)
Dr. PalmerYes, I think that works well. I’m really looking forward to how people who’ve thought hard about the Utopian oath react to further discussions of it in book 4. But yes in general the Utopians are basically full-on communists, sharing resources among each other with an equally alotted leasure budget, and affluent enough to make it all work smoothly.
A petitionerCan we get more information about the process of multiplex occlusion? The utopians here have been struggling for the past year or so to select a role color because we simply don’t know how to properly reach consensus
Dr. PalmerYes, it’s tricky. The color used most often for them when Romanova needs one color per Hive is either black or white, but those make tricky things wiht the blacklaws. As for multiplex occlusion it’s intentionally obscure so you can think about the many different ways it could operate. Clearly one must be approaching an answer from many directions and then cut them off bit by bit to arrive at a final one, but how?!
A petitionerI’ve recently been getting very into nineteenth century arctic exploration, and i wanted to know to what degree utopians see themselves as influenced by that era–i know they’re based on the classic sf but the sheer wonder of discovery Without The Imperialism This Time seems like a big historical legacy for them to draw on, and i was wondering if you were thinking about that with the esperanza city stuff in book 3?
Dr. PalmerYes, and Antarctica’s centrality is part of them dealing with that legacy, the biggest example we have of exploration which didn’t involving disturbing an indigenous group, and can be used as a model more for space. But there is indeed a big entanglement of the legacies of imperialism with the Utopian project and with the Masons and the Masonic-Utopian alliance, more meat for book 4!
A petitionerCan we get a peek into the more personal life of some constellation? How do they collaborate, and how is conflict resolved?
Dr. PalmerIt’s on my list of things I wish there’d been more room for, but book 4 is already 2x the length of the others. But it’s a great space for imagination.
A petitionerIs there a politically correct word for set-sets?
Dr. PalmerSet-sets are very comfortable with the term. When people are being nasty about set-sets what they usually do is pair the term with some secondary piece of dehumanizing language, like referring to different types of set-sets as different “species” or talking about “set-set behavior patterns” or “the set-set reproductive process”.
A petitionerWhy are sets 8 numbers, instead of any other number? Doylist or Watsonian answers are equally interesting.
Dr. PalmerI tried lots of different lengths and that one looked right. It didn’t resemble any number string we use now (telephone, credit card), and it felt long enough to be very complex and code a lot of info but not so long as to be way too much. It really was mostly a visual decision, which is what affects the real readers most.
A Utopian petitionerI have a question for Dr. Palmer as well. It’s become quite a meme in my friend group.
Can set-sets be hacked?
Dr. PalmerTheir interfaces can be hacked, which has the same effect as hacking a hearing aid, or a pacemaker, but the brain doesn’t have any direct connections to electronics, it still all goes through the body’s senses. Team Brillist’s mind-machine interface work is still underway
A European petitionerWhy are set-sets a thing if Utopia could just give U-beasts to handle that?
Dr. PalmerThey do different things, and set-sets are more focused on developing extant human cognitive capacity in new directions. Remember Utopia has yet to make an AI that could pass the Adulthood Competency Exam — they have complex creatures but not that accurately duplicate all the desirable characteristics of a human brain. Basically why have only one tech when you can have both!
A Gordian petitionerAre the digits in sets completely independent, or are there dependencies between them? Like, your seventh digit can’t get above 3 unless your fifth digit is high enough, or something like that.
Dr. PalmerThere are patterns that you can somewhat work out, but the complete opacity is intentional, to give the reader a sense of exclusion (another of these invisible majorities Mycroft talks about: the majority are NOT Brillists)
A Gordian petitionerCartesan, Abacus, Oniwaban, Amadeus, Rosetta… are there any other set-set kinds that you just didn’t have room for in the books?
Dr. PalmerNo, in fact, I didn’t give very deep development to the different kinds of set-sets that I knew we wouldn’t see. Since cognative neuroscience and electronics are both advancing so fast, anything super specific that I develop is guaranteed to become outdated and read as weird in a few years, so leaving it to the reader’s imagination guarantees that the reader will always imagine things that make sense at the current level of scientific understanding. So it’s a really fun arena to speculate intentionally left to be the reader’s domain.
A petitionerWould it be at all possible for some Set-Sets to choose hives different to the ones they’re assigned to, for lack of a better word?
Dr. PalmerYes certainly set-sets choose their Hives freely, it’s really mainly the O.S. system that rather coercively forces people into Hives. But, for example, it’s entirely possible for a set-set that was trained by a Mitsubishi bash’ wanting to use it for Mitsubishi business purposes to agree to do that work but decide to be a Humanist.
A Cousin petitionerWe’re told in Too Like the Lightning that Sniper and Ockham slew a deer together as a coming-of-age ritual. What’s the origin of that ritual, and how widespread is it?
Dr. PalmerThat ritual is unique to O.S. and was developed in the early generations of the O.S. system as a sort of psychological test to make sure the kids were ready to take a life.
A Gordian petitionerAssuming sniper does use it/its pronouns, since they don’t in their interlude, how does the Saneer-Weeksbooth ‘bash/their own unseen bash respond?
Dr. PalmerWe get a bit on this in Book 4 but
generally Sniper is still thinking about its pronoun preferences and really loves the it pronoun but finds it a bit too powerful for everyday interaction, the burst of positive feeling being so overwhelming, so Sniper likes Mycroft using it in the history but is still in the process of deciding whether to ask people to use it more broadly or not
A Utopian petitionerWhat is Sniper’s reaction to their ba’sibs teasing them with Dora La Exploradora memes along the lines of “Sniper, no sniping!”
Dr. PalmerHee :slight_smile:
A Utopian petitionerHow different were Mycroft and Saladin’s sets during their rampage?
Dr. PalmerGreat question! For book 4 related reasons I’m not going to answer it.
A Utopian petitionerWho’s more the Javert to Mycroft’s Valjean, Papa or Dominic?
Dr. PalmerMm, both are entangled, but don’t forget about Holmes and Moriarty being entangled too! :wink:
A Blacklaw petitionerIt is mentioned that Saladin and Mycroft were childhood lovers – would this be interpreted to include sex? what’s the age of consent like in a world where adulthood is defined by the ACE?
Dr. PalmerYes they were, and different Hives have different attitudes about what’s appropriate, though kids are under graylaw which has a fairly age-of-consent gradient where 15-20 are the ages at which you interview people carefully to see if there really is mature consent, but they’d never do the stupid thing where one of two 16 year olds turns 17 and suddenly it’s illegal. Mycroft’s relationship with Saladin when it becomes widely discussed certainly lends fuel to those who think that early sex esp. among ba’sibs can be unhealthy, but it’s an active debate.
A Blacklaw petitionerIs Mycroft and Saladin’s murder playlist also their sex playlist?
Dr. PalmerNo good answer to this one I’m afraid. But there is one song a friend played me once that reminded me of them, Alkaline Trio - This Could Be love: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mRB1wS2bFVs
A Gordian petitioner…I realize now that I have no idea what Ada Palmer’s voice sounds like :P
Dr. PalmerWell, you can hear me sing on my albums or online in links like this https://sassafrass.bandcamp.com/track/hearthfire-five-parts-with-guitar but there are also some podcasts and interviews around like https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=59xWZmHx9oI
A Humanist petitionerAnother question, not quite TI-related, but does Dr. Palmer have a favorite Renaissance painter or perhaps a favorite work?
Dr. PalmerBotticelli’s “Madonnas with Angels” always get me most among Renaissance paintings, but I find sculpture even more powerful. My favorites are Verrocchio’s Doubting of St. Thomas, Cellini’s stone Ganymede, and Cellini’s Perseus, I’ll share photos. I like them because they’re incredibly powerful but also incredibly narrative.
Oh and also the three classical Berninis in the Borghese!
A follow-up to “On Dr. Palmer’s Renaissance art affinities”
A petitionerThere is a very similar Ganymede statue at Versailles which I noticed last time I went!
Dr. PalmerThere’s one hallway in the Vatican with more than 20 statues of Ganymede, I have an entire folder of photos of them!
A petitionerwho is your favourite sci-fi author and book?
Dr. PalmerNarrowing to one is hard, but I love Gene Wolfe’s Book of the New Sun (starting with Shadow of the Torturer) which was my model for (A) depth of world building and (B) complexity of narrator, and Bester’s The Stars My Destination which was my model for the manic pacing I sometimes use, grandeur and party scenes, and the epic sense of thinking about humanity’s future. I love and reread those a lot.
A petitioner(A Brust fan?)
Dr. PalmerI enjoy hanging out with Steve and discussing nifty writerly tricks, we have a lot in common in terms of planning, and it’s fun singing with him when he plays guitar, and some of his stuff is on my list to read especially *Agyar *which I’m confident I will enjoy when I read it, but I haven’t had a chance yet. I really want to do another panel with him at a con about nifty writing tricks but cons keep not putting us together, alas.
A Utopian petitionerIs your favorite anime Evangelion? If it is; who’s youre favorite character? If not, what is it?
Dr. PalmerOne favorite anime is hard. I love Kaworu but much of Evangelion is very painful. I really, really, really enjoy Gundam Seed, and it was amazing having it to watch as I was actually writing book 1 because so many of the themes were so parallel. I sometimes refer to my plushie of Rey Zaburrel from Seed Destiny as my Apollo plushie (Raw le Kreuze is my favorite, especially his gundam!! I love Revolutionary Girl Utena, of course, and Paranoia Agent. Recently I really loved Concrete Revolutio, and From the New World. But I also love goofier ones like Yakkitate Japan. Early ones were formative too (compare Kenshin to Mycroft for example), and the Metropolis movie led me to my vast love of Osamu Tezuka, though mainly the manga. I know they’re animating Pluto and I’m in great suspense - if it’s good it’ll be amazing but I feel great fear. Same with the Uzumaki anime, I LOVE Uzumaki but Junji Ito adaptations are ALWAYS TERRIBLE!
A Gordian petitioner
ada's mentioned she has kaworu nagisa figures
Dr. PalmerThis is about Evangelion, not book 4.
I have more than 60 Kaworu Nagisa figures! They have their own special cabinet and I enjoy counting them! I also have some duplicates in my office and other parts of the house from when I see one and get excited and buy it and forget that I bought it already! I really enjoy intertextuality so for me the best thing is cross-comparing all the versions, even the ones from the silly manga!
A European petitionerWhich enlightenment works (particularly histories, stuff not immediately referenced) would you recommend for better understanding the characters?
Dr. PalmerHmmm…. Dangerous Liaisons (or the great film of it), Rousseau’s first discourse and/or Emile, Voltaire’s philosophical dictionary and letters on England, and within diderot beyond Jacques the Fatalist, Rameau’s Nephew and d’Alambert’s Dream. Also Tristram Shandy.
A Cousin petitionerWas Bridger’s potion at all Baccano influenced, while we are talking anime?
Dr. PalmerI own but haven’t yet seen Baccano – I have started it 3x but all three times I was tired and realized I wasn’t tracking on it and it was too good to watch while tired and not tracking it, so I’ve been saving it for when I knew I could do it justice.
A European petitionerWhat do you write with? Pen and paper? Word? Notepad? Something else?
Dr. PalmerI write in MS word on my laptop. I can’t handle writing by hand, my hand cramps up and also it’s slow and also I can’t sleep at night if there isn’t a backup!!!!! MS word is not a good program but it is a program that constantly updates and will never have the risk of being incompatible with whatever’s current, so that’s my main priority. And the new version finally has proper breathing marks for ancient Greek so that’s a big improvement!
A Utopian petitionerQuestion you might have missed earlier: Are you planning any further musical pieces? (Somebody Will might just be my favorite song) (also have you seen the remake of it at https://www.jefftk.com/p/resetting-somebody-will-v2 ?)
Dr. PalmerI haven’t seen that resetting, I should look at it. But right now I’m working on recording better versions of my older music, and on recording an album of Renaissance music. Not actively composing at the moment though as I get deeper into working on the new Viking novel series I may end up returning to a couple unfinished Viking pieces.
A Blacklaw petitionerOoh who’s your favorite saint?
Dr. PalmerHmmm… hard to pick just one. Thomas & Jerome are great, and St. Monica is awesome, but also St. Olga, and I have a historian’s fondness for Bernardino of Siena, and Lorenzo is great because spotting him in art is fun, and Julian is so cool because a patron saint of repentant murderers is such a cool idea and so needed! So no favorites, they’re best because they’re plural and you collect them all, like Pokemon!
A Gordian petitionerHave you designed flags for anything outside Terra Ignota?
Dr. PalmerNo. I collect Gundam universe flags, though.
A Blacklaw petitionerWhat’s your religion, Palmer?
Dr. PalmerRather not discuss. :RomanovaFlag:
A Blacklaw petitionerImportant question: have you read Homestuck, and is Madame a fan
Dr. PalmerNo, but friends have described enough of the best bits of it to me for me to be confident that my favorite character is Doc Scratch.
A European petitionerWhere did you get your Effortless Duck recipe? I’m referring to this one: https://www.exurbe.com/recipes-cooking/unreasonably-easy-perfect-duck/
Dr. PalmerHonestly, I can’t remember. :sweat_smile:
A Utopian petitionerWhat’s your favorite animal to imagine eating a banana?
Dr. PalmerHmm… I mean, the shark is integral to the plot :wink: But now that you bring it up I’m envisioning a nudibranch & it’s pretty fun. And watching any creature with hand-like grasping ability eat a banana is pretty fun because of what it does to the brain’s human/inhuman categorization.
A Greylaw petitionerDo you have any hopes/fears/wild speculations for how government and the global society might change as a result of this pandemic?
Dr. PalmerI’m actually working (very suddenly!) on a casual (non-academic, footnote-free) nonfiction book right now provisionally titled Why We Keep Telling the Myth of the Renaissance responding to people who’ve been asking whether the Black Death caused the Renaissance golden age and if so whether we can expect a similar result from COVID. It’s a question that deserves a long answer because the fundamentals of the question are so wrong, namely that the Renaissance was a TERRIBLE time to live and had a WAY LOWER life expectancy than the Middle Ages, which isn’t what people imagine. I don’t want to try to summarize the whole thing but I’ll do a short version on my blog soonish, but in total I think we can expect something radically different because we have no fear that COVID will stay around killing people for 400 years the way Y. pestis did, we know we’ll have a vaccine, it’s just a question of how many months or years it takes. I do hope that COVID will result in more employers allowing partial or complete work-from-home since the option of working from home a few days a week works so well for so many jobs, and this will hopefully make people take that more seriously and help begin to erode the it-must-be-in-the-office-9-to-5 attitude, and I also hope it’ll push the US and other countries to improve our medical infrastructure. A change toward work from home being more aceptable is also a shift toward starting to flex and change the totally unnecessary 40 hour work week.
A follow-up to “On COVID-19”
A petitionerwhy a lower life expectancy?
Dr. PalmerBecause of progress. Increased trade and circulation of people meant more diseases which traveled more quickly and had new outbreaks more often, while centralization of governments meant bigger states raising larger armies enabling bigger wars, and improved technology made wars deadlier as it got easier to shatter city walls and do mass-destruction. The answer to this in the book is about 7,000 words long but that’s the precis.
At the end of the AMA, the Author remarked:
Dr. PalmerAs a historian I'm awed by how GREAT a job humanity is doing now, the first pandemic where we've understood hygiene, hand-washing, where we've had actions we could take. In 1918 they didn't even discuss delaying the election because there was nothing they could've done to make it safer even if they did, they didn't know enough about how the disease spread to disinfect stuff or anything. I know we're focusing a lot on the mistakes that are being made and they're HUGE mistakes, but since my head is usually in the pre-modern world I sit in awe at how much we're doing, how sure we are we can handle it together as a species, how empowered we are, and how much we're reaching out and being warm and helping each other. Some governments are botching, individuals, but the collective is doing one of the most impressive things any species has ever done in the history of this planet. We just need to keep reminding ourselves of that.
In voice chat, Dr. Palmer recommended Petrarch’s writing on the subject of the plague.
And then she read us the first chapter of Perhaps the Stars.
At the time of this AMA, Perhaps the Stars was scheduled to be released in June of 2021. Perhaps the Stars is almost 300k words.
For additional Q&A content from Dr. Palmer regarding clothing, check out the “Notes from Ada’s KaffeeKlatsch” section of this Google Doc.